ES5 vs Other Similar Range Cars

As requested by Rookie, here's a more technical thread.

Which car do you think will be potentially a good competitor VS ES in terms of performance

I have listed a few, maybe you guys can add on. Anything 1.6litres and below please.

ES Rivals

1)Suzuki Swift Sports (No need to say 123hp@6800rpm vs 110hp ES, our ES torque is higher if I'm not wrong, Swift Sport 148Nm/4800rpm)

2)VIOS (It's HP is not higher, but the Power-to-weight-ratio is much better)

3)Getz 1.6 (It's HP is not higher, but the Power-to-weight-ratio is much better)

how abt

ALTIS 1.6A (109bhp vs ES5A 109bhp, weight should be ard same)

maybe we can talk about performance for those driving manuals. but i think mostly autos... by the time i got my es5, that's all that were left.

if want performance, just step harder on the gas. but i think the sweet bit should be the handling. haven't driven the altis but the corolla was scary -- floaty at 100kph, steering disconnected. engine sounded like crap... it was a whirr, like some electric shavers.

the soluna sounded better, and revved more eagerly also. so strange. i did ride in a 1.8 altis in thailand, a taxi: quiet and fast. if u can take the ah pek looks.

and so the es scores another point for looks: one of the prettier civics, if not the prettiest. eg has nice curves, but have u looked in the interior? horrid.

all v opinionated of course, my apologies if i insulted anyone's ride. none are perfect, and it takes a sage to see some beauty in everything.... confucius say one.

sf wrote:

maybe we can talk about performance for those driving manuals. but i think mostly autos... by the time i got my es5, that's all that were left.

if want performance, just step harder on the gas. but i think the sweet bit should be the handling. haven't driven the altis but the corolla was scary -- floaty at 100kph, steering disconnected. engine sounded like crap... it was a whirr, like some electric shavers.

the soluna sounded better, and revved more eagerly also. so strange. i did ride in a 1.8 altis in thailand, a taxi: quiet and fast. if u can take the ah pek looks.

and so the es scores another point for looks: one of the prettier civics, if not the prettiest. eg has nice curves, but have u looked in the interior? horrid.

all v opinionated of course, my apologies if i insulted anyone's ride. none are perfect, and it takes a sage to see some beauty in everything.... confucius say one.

eg 10 years ago was a beauty compared to the cars of the same year of manufacture, be it in or out

mugen4 wrote:

how abt

ALTIS 1.6A (109bhp vs ES5A 109bhp, weight should be ard same)

Altis 1.6A lost out to a manual badly. Tested with my friend's car before

Auto Altis vs Auto ES5?

May be Altis auto has a slight advantage over ES5 (A)
(DOHC vs SOHC)

rOcH wrote:

Auto Altis vs Auto ES5?

May be Altis auto has a slight advantage over ES5 (A)
(DOHC vs SOHC)

Never tried before will not know. But I feel the Toyota auto gearbox may be better

xiaonick wrote:

rOcH wrote:

Auto Altis vs Auto ES5?

May be Altis auto has a slight advantage over ES5 (A)
(DOHC vs SOHC)

Never tried before will not know. But I feel the Toyota auto gearbox may be better

will be good if we can verify that.

can anyone arrange for an interclub meet?

Rookie wrote:

xiaonick wrote:

rOcH wrote:

Auto Altis vs Auto ES5?

May be Altis auto has a slight advantage over ES5 (A)
(DOHC vs SOHC)

Never tried before will not know. But I feel the Toyota auto gearbox may be better

will be good if we can verify that.

can anyone arrange for an interclub meet?

I don't any toyota will want to race with hondas though.

if the G9 model corolla will be a good fight....with the ES5(m)

No need to theorise lor....


Just arrange for a Sepang run... I mean drive up at speed limit into Sepang track...

We can book the whole track for ES Civics ONLY, and invite the Malaysian Team ES to join us...

and whoever you think you want to 'challenge' and have a go around a safe and fun environment. Auto vs Auto, manual vs manual, blown vs blown, NA vs NA...

And once and for all put all these 'I think I think' and theoritically should be like this, like that... and paper value power out - and replace with track results...

dun have to drive to the limit of the car... just drive to the limit of the driver enough leow... the strengths and weaknesses of the cars will be apparant enough.

We put in thousands of dollars of mods into our cars to make it look and go fierce... let's put our money where our mouth is... and go validate our cars!


Next Open track day if you dare to mix it up in the OPEN category is in January 2007. Else you let me know when you have enough cars going up we 'pao ' Sepang Track for 5 hours from say 1pm to 6pm... enough to play till shiok leow...


who will take up the challenge? this is not a 'race challenge' just a go there and play challenge... any takers???


The Turtle - MCDS

Burdder! u are the man!


speaking after my own heart. Doesn't matterwin or lose. put that aside first. What Iwas thinking is to organise a mix meetup. the first one maybe ES and Altis meet? at PG also can

anyone can take the lead on this

PG!!!! shiok!!!

How bout Toyota Crown Diseal 5 speed manual

roychew14 wrote:

PG!!!! shiok!!!

exam over laio meh bro ?

no need to go up sepang so far lah. there is a private drag track at gelang patah. but the rental is quite ex, if i'm not wrong, 3k to rent the track for half day. but if devide by many cars, let's say 50 cars, about 60 bucks.

sf wrote:

maybe we can talk about performance for those driving manuals. but i think mostly autos... by the time i got my es5, that's all that were left.

if want performance, just step harder on the gas. but i think the sweet bit should be the handling. haven't driven the altis but the corolla was scary -- floaty at 100kph, steering disconnected. engine sounded like crap... it was a whirr, like some electric shavers.

the soluna sounded better, and revved more eagerly also. so strange. i did ride in a 1.8 altis in thailand, a taxi: quiet and fast. if u can take the ah pek looks.

and so the es scores another point for looks: one of the prettier civics, if not the prettiest. eg has nice curves, but have u looked in the interior? horrid.

all v opinionated of course, my apologies if i insulted anyone's ride. none are perfect, and it takes a sage to see some beauty in everything.... confucius say one.

there are some cars near to the perfect, if u got a perfect bank account with perfect number in. u can custom anything u want, make the car be perfect to you. if u dun like a car have doors, just build a car without door, if u dun like a car with wheels, use chain.
u got to compromise sometimes in this real world. nothing is perfect.

I've come to realise that the straight line sprints are not the best test of the 1.6 litre NA car. or any other car for that matter.

It's how the car handles OVERALL. on the straight, in various degrees of curves.

Just going straight will test how fast the car can attain & maintain a high speed if the straight road is long enough. in the 1.6 litre class, once you hit the revs, the other car if same 1.6 litre NA on same size tyres cannot pull away from you... (nor can you catch up) so it's all in the 1st 3 gears and how the car makes the rpm climb.

on a straight, that's all there is... but you can argue that if straight makes power faster, curves and exit from curve shud be same ... yup. shud be... depending on your entry speed... and where are you in that corner...

That is why in a multi-corner 5 km track, the real car emerges... which car/driver is better...

If you are just interested in paper/straight roads, den of course, who has more money put into the car (in the correct places of course), wins...


Agreed with sf, that this Civic is one of the nicest, if not THE nicest of the Civics, (imho - including the latest FD)

That is before the arrival of the CTR of course... that one hands down is the champion beauty of the Civics...


The Turtle - MCDS

my es engine .....
disappointed with the pickup..




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willrenz wrote:

my es engine .....
disappointed with the pickup..

y u go dig old tread and show ur numbers??



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I also think that Altis is fast on straights.....

george wrote:

I also think that Altis is fast on straights.....

buay ta han...

REALLY NO JOKE!!!

DaDude wrote:

george wrote:

I also think that Altis is fast on straights.....

buay ta han...

george wrote:

REALLY NO JOKE!!!

DaDude wrote:

george wrote:

I also think that Altis is fast on straights.....

buay ta han...

i think Dadude is not doubting u. rather, its becuz u kip on harping abt THAT altis ever since u came back.....

darth vader wrote:

george wrote:

REALLY NO JOKE!!!

DaDude wrote:

george wrote:

I also think that Altis is fast on straights.....

buay ta han...

i think Dadude is not doubting u. rather, its becuz u kip on harping abt THAT altis ever since u came back.....

Buay ta hannnnn....